The taxpayers are having a hard enough time choking down the bank bailouts. Freddie and Fannie and Lehman Brothers are next in line. Isn't that enough?
Posted by Minnesota Mom on Aug 20th, 2008 at 10:39 am.
I agree with you, bailing out GM and Ford is too expensive. In any event, there isn't going to be anything left to bail with once Paulson finishes bailing out Fannie and Freddy. I also agree that even more of the business should be allowed to go to the foreign firms running non-union shops in the south. It is sad because the unions weren't the cause of the incompetence that brought GM and Ford down.
The problem is that the boys up in Detroit never took energy policy seriously. They never had a clue that it was going to blindside them again in our decade as it had in the 1970s and 80s. They're losers who have gotten it wrong way too often.
Rather than bail them out again, what about a forced marriage to the international oil majors? The oil companies at least are well managed and understand what is going to happen with energy prices. Even though they wouldn't be happy having to prop up a failing industry, almost anyone could do a better job than the current crew.
Posted by Policy Pete on Aug 20th, 2008 at 10:55 am.
Would a government health care system that took on the benefits of auto industry retirees sufficiently bail them out?
Oil-auto would be an unholy alliance. Big Oil prefers gas guzzlers because they drive up oil prices. BigOil lobbying has blocked most of the energy conservation legislation for the past 2 decades.
Policy Pete -- Kevin Hassett of AEI recommended letting Chrysler fail and merging GM and Ford. I doubt any international oil companies want to run any auto companies.
Bahko -- Senator Obama proposed that two years ago, but he has backed off of it since. It wouldn't help the Big Three where they need it most, and it would create a long line of other big employers who would want the same treatment.
Posted by Pete Davis on Aug 20th, 2008 at 4:23 pm.
Unemployment is getting to a nasty level. U3 is reported as the "official" unemployment number, but U6 is more reflective of what is happening out there . . . take a look at U6 in Table A-12 (10.6%).
U6 includes marginally attached workers, including those working part time who would like full time work, and those indicating they want and are available for a job (and have looked for work in the recent past).
I'm running into lots of people who've had hours cut at their jobs. U3 understates this rapidly growing problem. Also there are small business people (self-employed) who are losing work/contracts etc. They are considered "employed" but many aren't making money right now.
I wouldn't exactly call it a "bail out", but the recent "housing act" extended corporate tax breaks to Chrysler even though these days it is a partnership, not a corporation.
But what's a housing act for? (Well, also to legislate that a Canadian-owned railroad car manufacturing plant in Alabama located 300 miles from the Gulf coast is actually now part of the Gulf coast hurricane relief zone, so it can get millions of dollars of tax-favored financing ... but I digress.)
At least 300 layoffs will hammer Indiana's largest automotive city as Delphi's electronics arm pares jobs after a 32 percent drop in second-quarter U.S. sales.
Layoffs in the state's massive auto-parts sector helped push the Indiana jobless rate to 6.3 percent in July, and the state surpassed the national rate for the second straight month.
Kokomo's unemployment rate has risen in recent years with previous Delphi cutbacks rippling through the city and Howard County. The county's jobless rate hit 7.7 percent in June. That was the highest jobless rate among Indiana metro areas.
On Monday, officials in Delphi's Kokomo offices announced the electronics division will let go 600 of its 3,200 white-collar workers in the United States by late December.
Posted by Yet Another Budget Wonk on Sep 19th, 2008 at 1:16 pm.
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No auto bailout, no airlines bailout
The taxpayers are having a hard enough time choking down the bank bailouts. Freddie and Fannie and Lehman Brothers are next in line. Isn't that enough?
Bailing out Detroit once again
I agree with you, bailing out GM and Ford is too expensive. In any event, there isn't going to be anything left to bail with once Paulson finishes bailing out Fannie and Freddy. I also agree that even more of the business should be allowed to go to the foreign firms running non-union shops in the south. It is sad because the unions weren't the cause of the incompetence that brought GM and Ford down.
The problem is that the boys up in Detroit never took energy policy seriously. They never had a clue that it was going to blindside them again in our decade as it had in the 1970s and 80s. They're losers who have gotten it wrong way too often.
Rather than bail them out again, what about a forced marriage to the international oil majors? The oil companies at least are well managed and understand what is going to happen with energy prices. Even though they wouldn't be happy having to prop up a failing industry, almost anyone could do a better job than the current crew.
Would a government health
Would a government health care system that took on the benefits of auto industry retirees sufficiently bail them out?
Oil-auto would be an unholy alliance. Big Oil prefers gas guzzlers because they drive up oil prices. BigOil lobbying has blocked most of the energy conservation legislation for the past 2 decades.
Doesn't matter whether it is McCain or Obama and here's why
http://www.pbs.org/moyers/journal/08152008/watch.html
Bacevich has nailed it.
Auto Bailout
Minnesota Mom -- Amen!
Policy Pete -- Kevin Hassett of AEI recommended letting Chrysler fail and merging GM and Ford. I doubt any international oil companies want to run any auto companies.
Bahko -- Senator Obama proposed that two years ago, but he has backed off of it since. It wouldn't help the Big Three where they need it most, and it would create a long line of other big employers who would want the same treatment.
Auto Bailout
Oh, so the oil companies wouldn't like the auto companies draped around their necks. My bad. The sardonic is not always easy to grasp.
Bailouts to boost employment ?
Unemployment is getting to a nasty level. U3 is reported as the "official" unemployment number, but U6 is more reflective of what is happening out there . . . take a look at U6 in Table A-12 (10.6%).
U6 includes marginally attached workers, including those working part time who would like full time work, and those indicating they want and are available for a job (and have looked for work in the recent past).
I'm running into lots of people who've had hours cut at their jobs. U3 understates this rapidly growing problem. Also there are small business people (self-employed) who are losing work/contracts etc. They are considered "employed" but many aren't making money right now.
http://www.bls.gov/news.release/pdf/empsit.pdf
I wouldn't exactly call it a
I wouldn't exactly call it a "bail out", but the recent "housing act" extended corporate tax breaks to Chrysler even though these days it is a partnership, not a corporation.
But what's a housing act for? (Well, also to legislate that a Canadian-owned railroad car manufacturing plant in Alabama located 300 miles from the Gulf coast is actually now part of the Gulf coast hurricane relief zone, so it can get millions of dollars of tax-favored financing ... but I digress.)
Beyond Detroit
The Big 3 collapse hits parts suppliers as well.
At least 300 layoffs will hammer Indiana's largest automotive city as Delphi's electronics arm pares jobs after a 32 percent drop in second-quarter U.S. sales.
Layoffs in the state's massive auto-parts sector helped push the Indiana jobless rate to 6.3 percent in July, and the state surpassed the national rate for the second straight month.
Kokomo's unemployment rate has risen in recent years with previous Delphi cutbacks rippling through the city and Howard County. The county's jobless rate hit 7.7 percent in June. That was the highest jobless rate among Indiana metro areas.
On Monday, officials in Delphi's Kokomo offices announced the electronics division will let go 600 of its 3,200 white-collar workers in the United States by late December.
Looks like your last sentence should be amended
Bush is the worst President ever.